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JMiguel
Feb 17, 2010
12:22am
Nice Job!!!
My wish list is, for Messenger, to finally have audio/video chats for personal use, as well as being able to receive/send messages from/to offline contacts.
For Excel, is the use for Pivot Tables and advanced features gonna be improved? I use both versions (Mac and Windows) of Excel mostly because performance for the Mac version is not yet up to par with it's Windows counterpart.
All in all...great job. Looking forward to test drive it, or in any case, get a copy of the new Office:Mac 2011.
emxgarcia
Mar 04, 2010
11:00pm
Good call
OneNote would be very welcomed amongst Mac users, it's is probably the most user friendly innovative app on WinOffice today. And now that native Outlook will be out on the Mac, I believe OneNote is just one step closer.
Keep up the good work, and count on me for Beta (I did submit quite bug reportsa few back on 2008).
Prototypus
Mar 04, 2010
11:00pm
Good luck for us all
So, friends, be wise. Don't make me hate Office for Mac too. And, please, please, please, make it faster. A lot.
Thanks. Regards,
psiberfunk
Mar 04, 2010
11:13pm
ChemDraw Compatability Please!
mbarron2896
Mar 04, 2010
11:15pm
Beta tester, please!!!
zip465
Mar 04, 2010
11:15pm
OneNote
markusberner
Mar 04, 2010
11:17pm
RTL-Languages
vwilburn
Mar 24, 2010
3:06pm
Formatting palette / Reference assistant
raymondmonaco
Mar 24, 2010
3:06pm
The rest of the Office Suite
rabihy
Mar 24, 2010
3:06pm
Right-to-left support
john.w.sias
Mar 24, 2010
3:06pm
Right-To-Left Unicode
The other reason is much more serious and much more annoying (and at some point will be a deal-breaker for my continuing to use Microsoft Office, though, with Dr.(?) Adams, I've used it since the early days of Windows. That is the frustrating lack of any kind of RTL support, even as much as there is on the Windows side (which is not great, but works). There is something profoundly wrong when I can do Hebrew passably in the freebie TextEdit but not at all in Word. This is presently frustrating me in studies on a weekly basis and impeding a significant book editing project which requires RTL.
I understand a hesitancy to promise features in an upcoming release (having been a developer in a "previous life") but I am having a hard time understanding the silence on RTL as anything other than a suggestion that it will, again, go unsupported in 2011. As I said (and as I hear others saying) if that's the case, it may well be a deal-breaker on adoption of 2011. If it is included, on the other hand, it would seem to open up a significant new user base--as well as to demonstrate that Mac and the RTL world are truly first-class development targets for Microsoft in general.
Thanks and best regards,
Dr. John W. Sias
Jetman
Mar 24, 2010
3:08pm
Standard outlook and pro
brandscill
Feb 17, 2010
12:22am
Re: Welcome to the new Office 2011 User Experience
NICE WORK
FrancescoK
Feb 17, 2010
12:22am
Cocoa?
But - will Office still be 32-bit Carbon, or will we get 64-bit Cocoa versions for Snow Leopard? I remember reading that the new Outlook will be Cocoa. How about the rest of the Office suite?
Anyway, keep up the good work
Sir Marky
Feb 17, 2010
12:22am
floating palate
pev
Feb 17, 2010
12:22am
That Ribbon...
Darkriver
Feb 17, 2010
12:22am
What about Outlook
Now what I'd really like for Christmas (this year please
markh31
Feb 17, 2010
12:22am
Word 2011
ridella
Feb 17, 2010
12:22am
PST support is really great!
Jeff Chapman
Feb 17, 2010
12:24am
The change _might_ be good.
As far as the MacRibbon goes, I would agree that this was probably a necessary move on the part of the Mac BU to provide feature parity and a comparable user experience between the Mac and Windows versions of Office.
I've used every version of Office for Windows since Office 95, and have also gotten my paws on Office 2004 for 2008. The differences in UI are quite evident. But I'm not quite convinced that the MacRibbon planned for Office 2011 will be the panacea to Word's user interface woes.
While I would agree with the comments in this blog post about the trouble and the unwieldiness of the Formatting Palette, the vertical orientation does have its advantages. Take a look at the screenshot provided in this blog post. Lots of unused space on either side of the document page. Of course, when you zoom in, that space will become narrower. But I think it illustrates an important point, which is that most documents are created in portrait format; and that having the option to vertically orient your toolbox rather than spread it out horizontally above the top of the document can be a space-saving advantage.
In short, it would be nice to be able to select either a vertical or a horizontal presentation of the tools and MacRibbon, depending upon your document dimensions and editing needs.
Just a thought.
Syed Ahmad
Feb 17, 2010
12:24am
Legit excitement
thewinchester
Feb 17, 2010
12:24am
Huzza!
Also, big kudos for MS coming out of Australia today, with one of the biggest (and vocal) Microsoft-phobic enterprises has today come out and trumpeted just how valuable switching their mail environ back to MS Exchange was from OSS. Now only if you could get the new Outlook for Mac out the door and they'd be able to go for a seamless client experience and not have to use three different applications for mail, contacts and calendar.
mat314
Feb 17, 2010
12:24am
Vertical/horizontal design
Thanks for the ribbon, its much better than the previous menu bar.
but have you considered putting it on the side? mose screens are now widescreens and usually i have much more place left/right of the document than above.
just look at your screenshot. tons of space at the sides but none above/below.
wouldnt it be a good idey to fill the "grey" space in word?
Muty
Feb 17, 2010
12:25am
Wow!
Great stuff!
Regards
docatomic
Feb 17, 2010
12:25am
Great News
ido
Feb 17, 2010
12:25am
Right to Left support
However, me, and a lot of users would like to know if finally we will get right to left support (like the windows version has) so we can write in Hebrew and Arabic?
nextdoor
Feb 17, 2010
12:25am
What about exchange?
RMansfield
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
Right to Left?
yehia2amer
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
right to left languages on office 2011
hated those open source programs, i want to use office
will_col
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
Looking good
Looking forward to Mac Messenger beta next month, hope you haven't forgotten...
David L. Adams
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
Word 2011 - Real Features?
What I do care about are real features: Specifically, is Word 2011 going to support the FULL Unicode standard (including right to left typing)? Currently I cannot use Word as a collaboration tool with my international colleagues. I have to discourage my Mac-using students from using Word because of the lack of full Unicode support in the Mac version. The Windows version does support it properly; the Mac version does not! This is a major shortcoming for those of us who have to work in an international environment. Until some of these real issues are addressed, the addition of yet another UI element is largely irrelevant.
Please let us know whether you plan to address the problem in the next release so that I can know what to tell colleagues and students as we look to the future next release of Word.
Thank you,
D. L. Adams
thg
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
Office for Mac 2011 Language Capabilities
impala
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
feature parity: Equation Tools?
Wahlstroem
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
Public Beta
I almost can't wait
Will there be a public beta for Office 2011 for Mac?
somana
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
More information about Excel
tonycspc
Feb 17, 2010
12:26am
will there be a OneNote???
Dr.Dodge
Feb 17, 2010
12:27am
Sounds interesting!
That being said, still no Access 2011 for Mac, eh?
Jeff
chadmichaelwright
Feb 17, 2010
12:27am
What about Microsoft Groove and One Note for mac?
thg
Feb 17, 2010
12:27am
No New Language Capabilities?
Michel Guillaume
Feb 17, 2010
12:27am
Hope beta version available soon...
I will be very happy to download a beta version when it is available!
EGlasheen
Feb 17, 2010
12:28am
Access for Mac.
Ed
leoleo
Feb 17, 2010
12:28am
Science tools
Stuke
Feb 17, 2010
12:28am
MacRibbon...expected; but, where's VBA?
James W
Feb 17, 2010
12:28am
Can't wait!
This all sounds great! I can't wait to be able to deploy Office 2011 across the Macs on our network. I'm looking forward to hearing more about Outlook, that is definitely a major highlight for me and many of the users I support.
Regards,
James
sbkul
Feb 17, 2010
12:28am
Congratulations!! Can you release it sooner?
Mr. H
Feb 17, 2010
12:28am
Assorted observations
However, I do feel that this is a missed opportunity and don't like the fact the Ribbon is now captive in the document window. For a start, the Ribbon is horizontal and therefore steals vertical screen space. This is not a clever move in the days of widescreen computer monitors. We have more horizontal screen real-estate, whilst vertical space is precious! Surely there are challenges making everything fit in the Ribbon interface? Why did you not just take the time you took meeting those challenges, and apply it instead to making the formatting palette a bit more intelligent? Presumably, we can't move the Ribbon to a different monitor, as those of us with more than one monitor can currently do with the formatting palette? So there you go - something that you can put in Office 2014 or whatever - a detachable Ribbon that can be oriented vertically or horizontally.
Now, onto other things Office 2011. We already know that Entourage is being replaced by a new Outlook, and that this Outlook is being programmed using the Cocoa APIs. What about the Word, Excel and PowerPoint? Are they going Cocoa too? It's clear that Apple is on the path to abandoning Carbon, possibly as soon as OS X 10.7 (i.e., the next major upgrade). If that's the case and most of Office 2011 is still Carbon, we won't be able to run it on 10.7. Oh well, I guess you've saved that one as another upgrade incentive for Office 2014...
One has to ask if you've finally fixed the stupendously irritating bugs in Word that turn equations into pictures and that tell you Word can't save your document because the disk is full (no it's not, stupid Word! My disk has many GB of free space).
Finally, is this version actually going to be noticeably faster when running on an Intel machine, compared to Office 2004 running via Rosetta on that same machine?
kvarnelis
Feb 17, 2010
12:29am
Awesome! One suggestion
Marian B.
Feb 17, 2010
12:31am
How about sharing capabilities of the next Word ?
Will Mac version allow users to easily publish their blog posts (and not only) and maybe to access some well known public web services to "mashup" different information in the same document [good idea, huh !? ].
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Macaholic
Feb 17, 2010
12:31am
Outlook Data File Format
Very interested to know if Outlook/Mac will not be utilizing the monolithic database format that Entourage uses?
JoSch
Feb 17, 2010
12:34am
#1 priority: compatibility
In my use cases I'm especially frustrated by Excel's incompatibilities regarding sorting, pivot tables and even colors in the sheets...
The list goes on and I'm not even talking about VBA.
Most a bit more "sophisticated" Excel files can't be opened on the Mac platform.
Better compatibility between Office for Windows and Office for Mac definitely is my personal #1 wish.
And I'm sure MacRibbon will be far better than standard ribbon
Manuel Silva
Feb 17, 2010
12:41am
Digital certificates and digital signature
Thanks
Manuel Silva
Portugal
PS - A digital signature is used for identification of digital documents creator (such as ordinary document, e-mail and macros) by cryptographic algorithms. Digital signatures are based on digital certificates. Digital certificates are verifiers of identity issued by a trusted third party, called a certification authority (or CA). This works similarly to the use of standard identity documents in the non-electronic world. For example, a trusted third party such as a government entity or employer issues identity documents such as driver’s licenses, passports and employee ID cards on which others rely to verify that a person is whom he/she claims to be. Digital certificates can be issued by certification authorities within an organization, such as a Windows® Server 2003 server running Windows Certificate Services, or a public certification authority such as VeriSign or Thawte.
ahostmadsen
Feb 17, 2010
12:41am
Will Office 2011 support the new equation format from Office 2007?
alsam
Feb 17, 2010
12:43am
Consistent interface
wi
Mar 04, 2010
10:58pm
questions about Office 2011
If I'm not a fan of the ribbon and would rather have menus, is there a possibility to switch back to the former interface? I find that every time a new version of any Office product comes out, be it for Mac or PC, I spend the next month changing preferences because the programmers at MS consistently make the wrong assumptions about how I like to work. I turn off all the autocorrect options and banish the insipid short menus on the PC version (thankfully the Mac BU never foisted that on us).
Everything I've seen about the ribbon gets in the way of me being productive. I've spent hours trying to talk people through how to get their work done with Office 2007 because they can't find commands.
Is VBA back in Office 2011? I rely on my Excel programming. No VBA, no sale.
I don't need eye candy, I need a product that works for me.
Constantin
Mar 04, 2010
10:58pm
Hopefully...
In other words, please make the ribbon easily flexible for those that do not enjoy clocking through multiple ribbon panes to get to a particular command. Older menu structures from years past are actually an improvement over the screen candy that seems to be the norm/requirement these days. Let's not forget that the ultimate reason these programs exist is for work and productivity. Slavish conformity-seeking with the current Windows version of Office is hence a step in the wrong direction (at least in my opinion).
Lastly, I would appreciate the MacBU taking a long look at some functional improvement opportunities for the Mac Office suite such as re-implementing a native statistical evaluation tool (removed from Excel 2008 and the workaround is inferior), implementing the improved name manager from Windows Excel 2007, adopting a track changes system for Powerpoint (curiously absent from all Powerpoint products AFAIK). I would appreciate a greater focus on such functional improvements rather than more razzle-dazzle.
mszargar
Mar 04, 2010
10:58pm
Among the hords of buttons in your software...
Steve White
Mar 04, 2010
11:07pm
MacRibbon and Inspector
First, it's a pleasant surprise to be able to leave a comment about Mac Office with someone high up at Microsoft. I hope this continues.
About the Ribbon: I understand that Microsoft might be a little sensitive about having Apple thrown in their face, so I do this gently, not to antagonize but to (perhaps) get the Mac BU to think about something that is important.
Given your statements and the screenshot, I think the Ribbon is going in the wrong direction. The right direction is something that Apple has made popular with some of their software lately:
The Inspector.
The Inspector and the Ribbon have obvious similarities, but the Inspector has an advantage. It's as close as you need it and yet it is always out of the way.
I am writing this comment on a 24" iMac. It is wider than it is tall. Using Word 2008, if I turn OFF all the toolbars, I can have a full page view of my writing at 125% magnification (that is, large enough that my 54 year old eyes can read it). My window almost exactly matches an 8 1/2 x 11 inch piece of paper, and 11 point Arial on the screen looks like 11 point Arial on the printed page. But in doing so I don't have the various tools in the various toolbars available, unless I drag them to one side.
Just like the Inspector.
If I leave the toolbars under the document title bar (default), or if I use the Ribbon as you show it in the screenshot, I then DON'T have a full 8 1/2 x 11 view of my page.
Why is that important? Because I have room to the side for all the tools I need. In fact, I can have two pages, side by side (one document in two-page view or two documents, each one page) and STILL have room for the tools to one side. It's a 24" iMac after all.
Same is just about true for a 20" or 21.5" iMac -- you have one window that is the size of a sheet of paper at a magnification you can read, and room to the side for various toolbars, inspectors, ribbons or palettes (whatever you want to call them). Even on a laptop, since the screen is oriented to the horizontal I always have more room there.
In writing, we generally work in the vertical -- most documents that we print are taller than they are wide. Of course that isn't always the case but it usually is. Books, newspapers, reports, office documents, etc are tall. We're conditioned to that as we learn to write, and we continue to expect our documents to be like that. It's very different than, say, presentations, where we have been conditioned (movies, television, computer monitor screens, etc) to see a 'proper' presentation as 'wide'. That's why a Powerpoint presentation always looks a little 'off' if the presenter has formatted it to be taller than wide.
Make the Ribbon just like the Inspector. Use the 'tab' idea to hide/present tools that we need in a logical way. Put it to the side -- let me move it where I want it on my screen. A user who wants it under the title bar of the window can certainly have it there. But let me be the one who decides that.
Thanks for reading.
Pete D.
Mar 04, 2010
11:07pm
Expected time and floating formula bar in excel
hopefully you will fix the floating formula bar in excel, this is one of the biggest disappointment between the Windows and Mac version.
What about Outlook for Mac, I am constantly having to rebuild the database in entourage and losing a half a day to do so. Also I understand that psts and archive files from outlook windows will be able to work in the new outlook.
Please quit teasing us and gives us some dates to look forward to!!!
Senior Citizen
Mar 04, 2010
11:13pm
More Office 2011 features announced at MacWorld
http://www.macworld.com/article/146295/2010/02/office2011announced.html
Senior Citizen
Mar 04, 2010
11:13pm
More Office 2011 info
<http://entourage.mvps.org>
MacConscience
Mar 04, 2010
11:15pm
Interface Issues
I look forward to future postings in this blog but we in the Macintosh community are pretty sick of Microsoft platitudes. The Macintosh was born with a vital driving philosophy. It was the "Computer for the Rest of Us." Designed to be like a toaster, an appliance capable of doing work. You shouldn't have to know how it works to use it. The key to the philosophy was "Simplicity through elegance of design." The thing that can be used intuitively, simply, easily, by anyone without reading a manual can only do this through hard work by genius designers. Putting up little icons on that ribbon may seem to "copy" the "Macintosh" idea to people who don't grasp the fundamental concept. But users who need to do everyday tasks and who use the software hard every day will know soon enough whether this new thing is a fox or a dog.
I have used every version of Microsoft Office for the Mac since the very first version. I've been a reasonably well-contented supporter and fan. But I have also felt that Microsoft has a prevailing tendency to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory time and again. And mostly due to two things.... arrogance, and failing to do the hard objective study of mouse clicks and hand movements.
atkinsr
Mar 04, 2010
11:15pm
OneNote
So many people here (and elsewhere - search for "mac onenote") are waiting for OneNote to be included before purchasing Office for Mac. I thought for certain you'd have it out in this version. I have tried every other note taking program out there: I have over a dozen installed on my system right now and have spent a week with each one.
Despite everybody's best efforts, they all pale (ok, they suck) in comparison to OneNote. I have over 2000 separate pages in OneNote. I have a parallels fusion vm running windows 7. OneNote is the last hold-out. I'm sorry, I've been with Windows since it and OS/2 were the same code base, but I'm a mac convert now, and I'm not going back.
As much as I've hated doing this, I have moved to EverNote. Running a VM just to run OneNote is ridiculous, and Evernote (which can't touch OneNote) is the only app that imports from OneNote.
So, guess who loses? We all do. I lose because I don't have my favorite app of all time (I spend about 12 hours a day on the computer, and about 8 of those hours are in OneNote), I've lost most of my organization abilities, and you lose because you don't get my money.
I'm sorry, I know you guys have worked hard on this, but I could care less about the ribbon. It's a (arguably) usability, not functionality addition. Bring me the functionality (OneNote) and I'll hand over my second-born.
Thomas Röfer
Mar 04, 2010
11:17pm
Mac ribbons and other features
The good thing about the ribbon interface is that it logically structures all functions and it adapts to the available space in terms of the width of the window. This would also work if it were in a separate palette with a more vertical orientation, adapting to the height (and maybe the width) of such a palette. It would be similar to the formatting palette in Office:mac 2008, but managing the available space more efficiently.
Another question would be whether Office:mac 2011 will be feature complete in comparison to Office for Windows 2010, i.e., will all the little omissions be gone, such as Powerpoint features like missing compression for graphics, missing ink support, missing password protection, and a much worse animation dialog pane, etc.? Better performance would also be nice, since Powerpoint:mac is a lot slower than Powerpoint for Windows.
Given that Office:mac 12.0.x had a lot of problems (and 12.1.x, too), it would make sense to have a beta test program before releasing the software.
dann345
Mar 04, 2010
11:17pm
Nice
Hoping to see screenshots of Excel, Powerpoint and Messenger too!
chocolatejeff
Mar 24, 2010
3:06pm
Public Beta?
When is the public beta coming out. I can't wait for it. Good job bringing the ribbon to the Mac, I am very fond with Office 2007 and 2010 because I had to use that for my work (a lot of VB based work). If the Mac versions would work well, I could save a ton of space in my HD because I don't need Windows anymore.